Quitting the cult, and RP.

Pilus wrote:

Opathu wrote:

Why do you think I stopped doing major events and trying to have guild meetings and all that crap? Because you have to be a no-lifer to do it ... and not get thanked either.

(Unless you're Vex and Vypra, who have special dispensation coz they don't shout at each other for playing a game)

That is just a question of habit and planning. We have had atleast one weekly meeting in the last 2½ year without missing one.

Greywolf Tribe as well. It just became second nature. "Meeting at Sunday at 8pm in front of the fire, middle rise" imprinted in the back of your head pretty much.

Leaf wrote:

Pilus wrote:

Opathu wrote:

Why do you think I stopped doing major events and trying to have guild meetings and all that crap? Because you have to be a no-lifer to do it ... and not get thanked either.

(Unless you're Vex and Vypra, who have special dispensation coz they don't shout at each other for playing a game)

That is just a question of habit and planning. We have had atleast one weekly meeting in the last 2½ year without missing one.

Greywolf Tribe as well. It just became second nature. "Meeting at Sunday at 8pm in front of the fire, middle rise" imprinted in the back of your head pretty much.

Yeah, in Heritage of Zandalar we simply agreed it's Monday, 8pm, top of the biggest building in Sen'jin... and there you go.
However, one reason from the numerous for me for quitting the game is that I got exhausted of leading HoZ. The weekly guild meeting was OK, but all the cross-guild stuff drained my energy too much.

There are a lot of good RPers who sadly just wait that someone else organizes RP and events, over time this can be really exhausting. Normally everyone should help in a guild and not just leeches and later claiming there is no RP anymore.

Anyway, good organized and even with 2-3 close friends helping you organize weekly events it works well.

Ok, I shall preface 'my' comments with:

Try holding a weekly meeting, when you travel at last minute's notice to do stories; often have to work late, due to being self-employed; have a computer sandwiched onto a small shelf of an Ikea unit which you have to crane your neck up to see; have a 10-month-old baby to help bring up; a partner who hates this game (don't blame her tbh); and then you go along to a meeting where you have to take notice what is happening, emote correctly, reply in decent language and take part in plots ... when you also have to use your spare time to work on your book

Not as easy as "I finish work at 6, go home, eat, and switch on WoW for the next 5 hours". Not so simple when *your* responsibilities increase, but not necessarily those of the people (in game) around you.

Do all this when you are self-employed, have a family and not much space, and I'll buy you a free round of drinks

edit: you may not realise it, but you DO need elements of a no-life to play this game to any depth. Any denial of that is simply a denial of the amount of time you are spending in a virtual, as opposed to real, universe.

Opathu wrote:

Ok, I shall preface 'my' comments with:

Try holding a weekly meeting, when you travel at last minute's notice to do stories; often have to work late, due to being self-employed; have a computer sandwiched onto a small shelf of an Ikea unit which you have to crane your neck up to see; have a 10-month-old baby to help bring up; a partner who hates this game (don't blame her tbh); and then you go along to a meeting where you have to take notice what is happening, emote correctly, reply in decent language and take part in plots ... when you also have to use your spare time to work on your book

Not as easy as "I finish work at 6, go home, eat, and switch on WoW for the next 5 hours". Not so simple when *your* responsibilities increase, but not necessarily those of the people (in game) around you.

Do all this when you are self-employed, have a family and not much space, and I'll buy you a free round of drinks

edit: you may not realise it, but you DO need elements of a no-life to play this game to any depth. Any denial of that is simply a denial of the amount of time you are spending in a virtual, as opposed to real, universe.

I agree on that and I think you got it wrong, I dont say that anyone is bad for non-organizing events and all this crap, real life comes in first place (for me at least and for most others from what I see). Well yes I am still pretty much (too much) hanging infront of this crap and wasting my time but well, its fun isnt it? (aint sure about this sometimes tbh)

Anyway if you are busy (which you are since you repeated this to us a few thousand times ) that does not mean you cant RP in my opinion, just about the plots its going to be nasty and probably annoying for you since you cant follow everything. ( not that anyone can follow 100% every plot)

Whatever, what I posted above was how RP event organization should work when you aim for more people to attend, let everyone play a role and have some responsibility in the event and help keep it going, everything else is exhausting over time.

You guys make it sound oh so easy...well, maybe i got stuck with a bunch of awkward buggers but we had a well established weekly meeting and a solid rp-background for the theatre of cruelty, but trying to get ppl to actually attend those meetings seemed an impossible task. We (the guild leader & officers) got complaints about the locations, the content, and the time & day of the meetings...but whenever we asked for input/ suggestions on how to improve things we got sod all response.


We constantly tried setting up events, that we advertised at the weekly meeting, but as so few turned up, they didn't know about it. When i told one person to check the forum because i was writing minutes for these meetings, i was told 'my character doesn't read the forum'...essentially, it seemed that they wanted me to spend my time finding a reason to track down thier character and tell them personally

At the end of it all, i was told that certain ppl felt the officers were a bunch of selfish bastards that only bothered doing stuff for themselves and that was when i went 'screw u guys...i'm outta here.'

(note, neither Gurf or Opa were online that much at the time and this is not aimed at them ).

Heard these storys Vyp that you and Vex (just as Oppy and Gurf when they had more time to play) were organizing some nice events but people was just leaving all the work to you. Its true that this is a officers job but there is NO way this works without support and thats why I believe you just run into some lazy buggers.

Now keeping a guild big and entertained is very hard without support, so well I try to give people always a IC reason to get something from events and meetings. Like a IC reward that they work for it. (that does not mean I pay people to attend or anything like this) Normally I keep giving people to RP something in a group, call it a mission or just to find something or someone.

Promotions should be always given though IC work and effort into the guild (this is nothing new to you guys I just wanted to write it down) If you have a large basis of good officers who organize events and help the GM out , large RP guilds would work perfect, but lets remember there is no perfect guild

That doesnt mean the other members shouldnt help too and mostly I think they should introduce one or two of there own RP events.

Anyway to get back on my first though: Its fucking stressing to organize a guild solo without any back up and this can make you abandon all ths crap, BUT instead of just leaving it you should rework a few things and maybe have a talk with one or two members why there are here if they complain and do nothing.

Actually, I wasn't really anything to do with the running of ToC at any point really. So I much as I would like to lap up your praise, I cannot in this case.

In fairness to you, Vyp, you were in the most stupid position imaginable in that you had 2 semi-players (and both of us are probably now more semi-semi-players due to work and stuff!) and a bunch of people who seemed to be used to having it all on a lap and where they wanted it and they couldn't handle it when it wasn't and that's when things went stupid. I also think that some of the attitude comes from being that little bit older and that if you had had a bunch of teenagers in ToC then you would have had an amazing turnout and a large number of positive whispers coming on a weekly basis.

Age increase is relative to decrease in time available and on a server like SSL that leads to stupidly low numbers. Add that to the fact that kids (no offence, just a turn of phrase) tend to play Alliance and the odds of you having a decent turn out became even slimmer!

Vypra wrote:

You guys make it sound oh so easy...well, maybe i got stuck with a bunch of awkward buggers but we had a well established weekly meeting and a solid rp-background for the theatre of cruelty, but trying to get ppl to actually attend those meetings seemed an impossible task. We (the guild leader & officers) got complaints about the locations, the content, and the time & day of the meetings...but whenever we asked for input/ suggestions on how to improve things we got sod all response.

I feel you, Vypra. Another one of the million reasons I quit RP. The reason the cult has fallen from 20~ player / meeting activity to 5 player activity now is because everyone was resting on my shoulders, and electing new officers, trying to split work, never seemed to work. In the end it was always me that had to come up with the plots and stuff.

Well, what i really need to know is - has the Cult disbanded? or is there a new leadership trying to keep it going?

Just want to update the Guild list

Also...i don't know that you will find things all that much better on any other server Xari. I really did do the 'roll on alt on the different servers and see which one you like best' approach before i chose SSL. As much as everybody goes on about how great Argent Dawn is...it wasn't the place for me.

The only other one that comes close is Ravenholt, but there's too many belfs on the server

Maybe you could just have an alt that nobody knows about and stick to random rp?

Porn!

Or...



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Vypra wrote:

Well, what i really need to know is - has the Cult disbanded? or is there a new leadership trying to keep it going?

Just want to update the Guild list

Also...i don't know that you will find things all that much better on any other server Xari. I really did do the 'roll on alt on the different servers and see which one you like best' approach before i chose SSL. As much as everybody goes on about how great Argent Dawn is...it wasn't the place for me.

The only other one that comes close is Ravenholt, but there's too many belfs on the server

Maybe you could just have an alt that nobody knows about and stick to random rp?

Nope, the Cult hasn't disbanded yet, people are trying to keep it running. Personally I really hope they can.

And to the other servers thing: it's a matter of taste, and you gotta admit that SSL is quite open, too open IMO, in terms of touching and even passing the borders of lore. One of the most important elements of RP for me is that the lore is untouched and kept like Blizzard designed it (Well, even though they're screwing it themselves sometimes with WoW. Night Elves in Alliance, Ashbringer & Draenei lorelol comes to mind) and I just see too much exceptions on SSL.

It seems to be a lot less on Horde though. Only thing that could be discussed is Archnazg's self-made Death Knights, since lorewise it requires an immensely powerful source to craft Death Knights (Only Gul'Dan and the Lich King managed it so far) but I never went into that because I love Archnazg too much And well, a few exceptions can't hurt anyone. Alliance is a lot worse ^^

I did actually try out both Argent Dawn and Defias Brotherhood Alliance btw, only reason I didn't stick there is because of my friends and community here. After we're done progressing with <Menace> (Just Malygos 25 men left now... bunch of no-lifers) I'll probably give it another go and stick to there. From what I've seen they seem to respect the lore a lot more, for example on Defias Brotherhood they even saw people who spoke about the Onyxia incident as mad men, before the return of the king. (Pun not intended)

At some point I'm hoping to get an active character into HoS as well, to give horde on SSL a proper try. Probably on an anonymous alt though. (Anonymous alts ftw, I got one in the Militia and even the Covenant)

Well if you read up on what I actually did you will find out they were not, really, death knights. They were corrupted with Shadow and Death magic by inscribing a lot of runes into their flesh, killed, raised through necromancy, souls syphoned under Archnazg's control. Pretty much Archnazg's own little version of Death Knights in his megalomaniac driven world. By no means were these knights stronger than the average warrior, which I have never claimed. They are of equal power, using Shadow and Death magic to their advantage.

Archnazg wrote:

Well if you read up on what I actually did you will find out they were not, really, death knights. They were corrupted with Shadow and Death magic by inscribing a lot of runes into their flesh, killed, raised through necromancy, souls syphoned under Archnazg's control. Pretty much Archnazg's own little version of Death Knights in his megalomaniac driven world. By no means were these knights stronger than the average warrior, which I have never claimed. They are of equal power, using Shadow and Death magic to their advantage.

Sounds like the kind of people I meet outside a football ground on a Saturday.

Xariandra wrote:

At some point I'm hoping to get an active character into HoS as well, to give horde on SSL a proper try. Probably on an anonymous alt though. (Anonymous alts ftw, I got one in the Militia and even the Covenant)

Umm, you do know that the whole point of anonymous alts in guilds is to not talk about them? And I'd hardly call Naie (or however you spell her name) as annonymous, we all know that she's you!

Now we all know. *cackles madly* (noes liek chickin, liek ebil persen kk)

Archnazg wrote:

Well if you read up on what I actually did you will find out they were not, really, death knights. They were corrupted with Shadow and Death magic by inscribing a lot of runes into their flesh, killed, raised through necromancy, souls syphoned under Archnazg's control. Pretty much Archnazg's own little version of Death Knights in his megalomaniac driven world. By no means were these knights stronger than the average warrior, which I have never claimed. They are of equal power, using Shadow and Death magic to their advantage.

Damn Archnazg, just when I think to spot a little flaw it just turns out to be just another awesome aspect!

By no means should you have taken that as offensive or personal btw, constructive critism helps people only forward! Too bad most get their precious egos hurt and tell me to L2P and flame me in a few lines of l33t speak mixed with a lot of "u" and "mother"s ...

<3 you Archnazg

And to gurfang: I was kinda talking about like more than a half year into the future. I doubt anyone will remember what I said here by then But now you'll probably save this to bring it up so many months later when I reveal my alt ...

Damn gurfang.

Also, Niae isn't my alt, it's a friend's char, I just used his account to post because I got permabanned for a russian joke about Niana/Thaya :p

Xariandra wrote:

By no means should you have taken that as offensive or personal btw, constructive critism helps people only forward! Too bad most get their precious egos hurt and tell me to L2P and flame me in a few lines of l33t speak mixed with a lot of "u" and "mother"s ...

No offence, Xari, but pot and kettle.

Gurfang wrote:

Xariandra wrote:

By no means should you have taken that as offensive or personal btw, constructive critism helps people only forward! Too bad most get their precious egos hurt and tell me to L2P and flame me in a few lines of l33t speak mixed with a lot of "u" and "mother"s ...

No offence, Xari, but pot and kettle.

I don't get it?

Gurfang wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black

Funny, the Hungarian equivalent of this is: "An owl calls a sparrow large-headed."

Bulgarian: Присмял се хърбел на щърбел. ("Nick laughed at dent")

Gurfang wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black

I know about that expression, I just don't know when I mindlessly flamed away any constructive critisism. ;/

Xariandra wrote:

Gurfang wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pot_calling_the_kettle_black

I know about that expression, I just don't know when I mindlessly flamed away any constructive critisism. ;/

Umm, I've given plenty of it (though I'll admit that after it got flamed I often turned to being pissy).