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PostSubject: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:05 am

ok, finnaly here, sweetttttttttttttttttt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIYTTOI35VU
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:10 pm

Somehow I don't think that's Bolvar anymore...
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Tue Feb 02, 2010 1:27 pm

Sounds pretty stupid to me.

The scourge must always have a leader to stop them being even worse blah blah... uhm, like Germany went on to totally own the rest of Europe after Hitler killed himself.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:52 pm

Well, scholars agree that not taking the step of necromantically enslaving all his troops was one of Hitler's many blunders.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Tue Feb 02, 2010 3:01 pm

True I guess. One of his major other blunders was of course getting married. Did you notice that shortly after he got married he shot himself? Further proof that marriage just isn't worth it, imo.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Tue Feb 02, 2010 4:19 pm

Seen it yesterday, realy nice.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Wed Feb 03, 2010 1:13 am

damn its been taken of youtbue, copyright shininigans
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Wed Feb 03, 2010 8:26 am

Heh, that never works. Just search on "Fall of the Lich King" or similar and if nothing comes up, check back in a couple of hours.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Thu Feb 04, 2010 3:37 pm

Someone posted this quote he found on another forum on another forum:

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It seems the general consensus among the forums is that this cinematic was disappointing, anti-climactic, and lacking a true purpose. I won't lie, at first glance I thought that to, but through watching the video enough times, and analyzing it extensively, I would like to share my thoughts on the subject. I will break down the video into significant parts, and elaborate on them

First: King Terenas Menthil II. Okay, understandable. First Uther appeared, now Arthas' own father. There to say I told you so. But it's not really his father. In the Halls of Reflection, Uther's ghost presents to us this BRAND NEW and UNHEARD OF fact...That there must ALWAYS BE A LICH KING. Okay, dead-man's trigger. Clever Blizz. But that wasn't the purpose. NER'ZHUL. The grand warlock. The cunning orc who out smarted the entirety of the Burning Legion. The driving force behind Arthas' corruption into the Lich King. He made Uther appear to us. he gave us the idea of a new Lich King. Why? Arthas was turning against him. He was weak. His corruption had been lengthy, and he was still in society throughout it all. He wasn't broken well enough. And he had turned. Ner'zhul knew he must get rid of his conduit, and he also knew he'd need another. So here comes the idea: Tell the future King Slayers that they must find another soul to be damned to be the "Jailer of the Damned". Now it's Terenas. Listen closely. He has a double voice. Hmmm...Someone else had a double voice this entire expansion. Ner'zhul summoned this ghost, and used it to further lure Tiron into believing he must find a new Lich King, that the rule should not and could not be destroyed. That the cycle cannot (or is it really must not?) end.

Second: Tirion Fordring holding the helm of the Lich King. Now it may seem logical, even righteous and selfless for him to want to take the "burden" of being the Lich King. But listen carefully to his tone, and especially his word choice. "The weight of such a burden...it MUST be mine." Must. Seems like an okay word, maybe a bit strong, but we'll let it slide. But he emphasizes it so much. It's a inflection which makes us believe he craves it. And to reinforce this, it shows his reflection in the helm. But two of them. This is to communicate to us that our champion of the Light is, in fact, being corrupted just by holding the crown. Subtle, but nonetheless there.

Third: Fiery, ugly, forceful Bolvar Fordragon. He is riddled with subtle queues as to what is really going on. First, his voice. Even while his "normal" form, he has a double voice, the second being subtle, but there. Perhaps Ner'zhul again? Yes. Where Ner'zhul failed with the corruption of Arthas, he would not fail with this Paladin of the Light. He broke Bolvar DIRECTLY. He made sure that there would be no vestige of whom he used to be left. He had him purged by the Dragon's Flame. Why? So he would be stronger than Arthas. Immune to even more powers that might be stacked against him; the great Aspects.

A major thing that implies to us that Bolvar is not the same (despite his overwhelming contempt in his voice) is that he says "the world of the living can no longer comfort me". He wants Tirion to believe he understands his fate, but really, he has known his fate, and he knows he is not meant to be anything other than the Lich King. Another intriguing case of word choice; instead of asking Tirion to give him the helm, Bolvar says "place the crown upon my head". Okay, why not put it on himself? Because, kings NEVER put on there own crown when being inducted into kingship. And guess what? This is Bolvar's induction into kingship. He demands Tiron give place the crown upon his head, getting even more forceful. Why? Because if he doesn't get this crown..well then his motives become known. And as he states, the crown is his. His "last act of service" (as Bolvar) isn't really a service to the people of Azeroth.

During the kinging process, Bolvar tells Tirion he MUST be forgotten, claiming its for the good of the people. But what if it's a cover, what if he needs time to rebuild the kingdom of the damned? To raise more armies? To use his new powers as the Lich King? All an elaborate (and well crafted) cover.

Fourth: Bolvar, the new Lich King. MAJOR voice change. The second voice is noticeable. It's no longer being hidden. He tells Tirion to say that the Lich King AND Bolvar died there. Because Bolvar is dead. No longer is the benevolent, righteous, strong herald of the Light in existence. He has been corrupted into Ner'zhul's champion, into the perfect Lich King.

And at the end, the biggest part of the WHOLE ENTIRE CINEMATIC. "Leave this place and never return". Cool ending line. But listen. Where is Bolvar's voice? Who's voice is that? Is that...and orc?

Ner'zhul has achieved complete control over a new conduit. His power is complete once more.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Thu Feb 04, 2010 5:23 pm

i´m not buying the story above here.

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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:21 pm

Neither am I.
I look at it this way.. If Blizz intended to do it like the whole story suggests, that Ner´zhul persuaded Tirion to find him a new "lich king", yadda, yadda, they wouldn´t have any reason to hide it. They would just show it in the cinematic, maybe towards the end as a twist of sorts.
Blizz makes these stories and if they wanted it to be the way as that whole "conspiracy post" suggests, they would just shove it into our screaming faces. "Look at this, Tirion got duped and now there is another Lich King! MUAHA!" Nobody can argue with them on their own idea..
So why speculate about voice acting? Simple explanation of Bolvar´ voice changind towards the end (or atleast I understood the vid that way, but maybe I´m not smart enough to see the conspiracy going on) is that the crown just took possesion of him which reflected in his voice, and Blizz used this to convey the idea. Since his voice was almost the same as Arthas had before him with the crown on.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Thu Feb 04, 2010 9:45 pm

After hearing the "Leave this place and never return" line I don't understand how people can think he isn't going to become a new Lich King. Its seems rather obvious to me, and the only question I have left is whether Blizzard will do something with this or ignore it... I presume they will, not any time soon though.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:06 am

Conspiracy or not, suddenly it all makes sense now. If they wanted to end the Lich King story, they'd just drop the "there must always be a Lich King" concept completely. I mean, it's been known for what, a few months? Why add such a significant note to the Lore just to never use it again?
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:13 am

I happen to know when Catacylsm is coming out.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 10:08 am

Opathu wrote:
I happen to know when Catacylsm is coming out.


Really? When, when!?
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:22 am

Ryleen wrote:
Opathu wrote:
I happen to know when Catacylsm is coming out.


Really? When, when!?

That would be what constitutes a "leak". Question is, how much journalistic integrity does Opu have? (maybe if we have a whipround we can bribe him with a Traveller's Tundra Mammoth)
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 11:48 am

Adalan wrote:
Ryleen wrote:
Opathu wrote:
I happen to know when Catacylsm is coming out.


Really? When, when!?

That would be what constitutes a "leak". Question is, how much journalistic integrity does Opu have? (maybe if we have a whipround we can bribe him with a Traveller's Tundra Mammoth)

Doesn't hurt to ask, does it? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:31 pm

Ryleen wrote:
Really? When, when!?

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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:27 pm

So do I, some guy said he was a GM in game and gave me a link to a website for the Cataclysm beta, be right back just going there now.

*Legothom was never seen again*
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Fri Feb 05, 2010 1:42 pm

I seriously hope you didn't fall for that scam attempt.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Mon Feb 08, 2010 7:48 am

Notice how my lips are now sealed Rolling Eyes
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Mon Feb 08, 2010 9:29 am

Opathu wrote:
Notice how my lips are now sealed Rolling Eyes

But of course you had to tell us that you know, and that you won't tell us. =P You mean person.
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:07 am

He could be lying.

I know when Cataclysm's due out.

See how easy it is?
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PostSubject: Re: MAJOR SPOILERS! WOTLK END CINEMATIC!!!!!!   Mon Feb 08, 2010 10:37 am

Adalan wrote:
He could be lying.

I know when Cataclysm's due out.

See how easy it is?

*Le-fucking-gasp*

Would I - I?! - lie to you?!

How. Very. Dare. You!
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