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PostSubject: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 1:44 pm

I applaud Zangomah -- I think ex-of Scarshield Legion -- wanting to carry on the idea of the Goblin Gazette. But 100% blanket copying of the ideas, including parts that aren't Blizzard "owned" (such as the idea of the Pleasure Pits i.e. my creation) is a bit "rich I think.

The guy needs to ask at least permission or, better still, simply collaborate with the existing publication.

I suppose I get more touchy about this than most people ("it's only a game", "stop being so serious" etc) because I have had lengthy and numerous copyright battles over the years with both British and foreign websites and publishers reprinting my stuff without payment or permission. You can't copyright an idea, sadly, but I do think a fellow RPer and gamer should be more honest about where he is getting stuff from. In his position, I would not simply lift everything (nice flattery to us, but not above board).

See his post here:
http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=6178318170&sid=1

My response is at the bottom.
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:07 pm

Well, he did credit Quint and Tee with coming up with the original concept of the gazette (which he should), but seeing as he was in the ToC for a while he should remember that you were the creator of 'the pleasure pits' especially as he says he tried to contact you wrt using the name (can't have tried -that- hard imo but there you go Razz).

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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:22 pm

imitation is the greatest form of flattery.

Morally..not right imho but you guys should be flattered ofc
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:30 pm

Well, it looks pretty fail to me lifting character and place names tbh.

Would it have hurt so much to use different NPCs and such? Tally Wakker appearing there is a big lol to me.

Tempted to post on the DB thread about it but probably best if I stay out and politer people take care of it. ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 2:37 pm

He did ask for permission to start up the Goblin Gazette and he got it. I don't mind at all that he copies it.

I did however ask him to change the names of the reporters seeing as those are actual characters some of us use and it would just make things easier to have other names.

Though I can understand how he thought it was okey to use the Pleasure Pits as it has become a very widely used term in SSL RP. I've seen it being used by many people, even on ally side and I bet alot of them have no idea who came up with the idea, they just accept it as a part of the SSL Rp world.
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:01 pm

I'm not quite sure why they didn't just create a "new" newspaper, with new people and new stories. I think it's a bit lame, Quint, to just lift half of the stories and people without creating your own. And now there's no point arguing, as people will be being "smart" etc, so it's a tad ... meh. I say let others create their own stuff, not lift.
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 5:23 pm

I agree totally with Oppy i mean if they cant create something on there own than they suck BIG time Neutral

P.S: Oppy i have RP-ed also about the pleasure pits Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:06 pm

*shrug*

I don't see the problem by them using the Goblin Gazette concept at all. I asked him to change the names of the reporters seeing as those were actual characters of ours and he said he would. I'm sure he will refrain from using the Pleasure Pits as well when asked. And they're not lifting the stories, they'll write their own.
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:21 pm

Oh and by the way.. The thing about the Pits was never discussed with me and I never gave any permission or anything like that concerning the Pits. Ofcourse, had it been up to me I would'ev said "go ahead" anyways Wink

I am sure they just didn't know it was a sacred Oppy Invention and thought it was okey to copy it. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:28 pm

To be honest i dont mind that other RP servers take a few ideas of us and use them but really copy them one on one is lame imo.

Create Ogrimmar Times or Taurahe Journal or what the hell i know!

Its clea that this guy hasnt though about all those things ( i mean he uses even the reporter names) thats probably why he will fail , dont understand me wrong, i dont mind that other people RP that way just...be a litlle bit more creative?

Just cheap Neutral

I hope this guy changes a few things.

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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 6:46 pm

I do find the Goblin Gazette a really catchy name for a tabloid respectable newspaper. So if the "owner" of that name doesn't mind....
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 7:50 pm

I know I sound too touchy, guys -- it's just my way when it comes to writing Embarassed

All in all, I don't mind them doing stuff, but I would kinda like to be consulted. I suppose this is the paranoid creative vs the "we all own this [game]" approach, eh? ^^
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:04 pm

*hides own story of pleasure pit adventures beneath the mouse pad* We forgive you Nick....
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 8:56 pm

Tbh fella I doubt anyone could match your lurid descriptions of the peverse pleasures of the pits so I wouldn't worry about it too much.

As for Zangomah I'm a bit suprised as from what I recall he had plenty of ideas so didn't see the need for the blatant rip off.
Personally also if I was going to do something for my own realm, even if I heavily ripped an idea I would at least rebrand it.

Like Vyp got the idea for this site after looking at the Argent Archives, but obviously didn't call it the "Scarshield Archives" and just blatantly rip the format... not that we have anyone here capable of the slickness of that site, but thats another point. Wink
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:46 pm

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The Goblin Gazette is entitled Teeboppity and Quintillius of Sacrshield Legion (Horde side) and it was discussed at length if it was ok, and how it would be presented. The only claim concerning the Gazette that you personally have is the articles you have written, which I have no interest i copying/posting as that concerns SSL rp and non on DB will be interested.

Second. RP hijacks are so commonly used on every WoW RP realm, and naming is usually the same on every server. The reason for naming it the same is to use something that has been proven to work. The name was taken well by the public on ssl, so its a bigger chance that people will adopt it here. I also liked the idea of giving some rep to the creators of the Gazette in such a way that it is half way still their product, just someone else doing it on another realm. As stated clearly in the first post. All credit goes to Tee and Quint.

The actual reporter names is a fair point and they will be changed, as the name is actually used on a character on SSL.

Regarding "The Pleasure Pits" the name is copyrighted a casino in the US, so the rights wouldn't go to you anyway. The idea of the a @*#*# house called that is fair enough, but the article concerning it in the DB issue of GG was used only as fiction, and it wasn't a project I was intending on following up.

If I start a RP project, like the DB version GG, I make an announcement post, as the first post clearly is. I have not done so for the Pleasure Pits and wouldn't do so, as I am respecting of the creation of others, and like their consent. As stated earlier I did try to contact you, but with the ToC site down, and me having an ally character on SSL atm, it was kinda hard.

Posting all the contact information after is kinda useless as it is already to late Razz (Except if your trying to get some free PR for yourself of course ^^)

I however see that this has truly offended you, so I will change the name asap, and hope we can leave it at that. I will also remove the article and remake Issue 1 next Wednesday to get it clean.

//The Blind one

-Quote from Zango on DB realm forum

I think we now can stop the silly bitching, yes?

He did ask if he could start Goblin Gazette on DB, he got an ok. End of story.
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Thu Oct 09, 2008 9:59 pm

Yes fair play to him he changed it.

But since when did expressing your opinion on this become "silly bitching"?
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Fri Oct 10, 2008 12:25 am

Erhm.. I dunno.

Just like.. ok.. well.. ok. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Fri Oct 10, 2008 7:29 am

moved from 'latest from ssl' to 'random carp'

don't all quit the forum now pls... Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Zangomah "steals" The Goblin Gazette   Sat Oct 11, 2008 5:26 pm

You moved it?! I quit this forum now!


(I kid, I kid... I joke, I joke!)
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