After last night. The horde civil war

I hope all you little allies with your little senates etc etc are jealous

Right. For those of you who dont know. The house went to retreive one of their subjects who had been captured by the Heritage of Zandalar tribe.
The whole event got so out of scale it ended up in a fight. Archnazg challenged snicka in a duel and some other fights were fought. The ramifications of it are massive. The Heritage have allies and they will undoubtably get invovled. So the house is currently at war. Now. Some of these RP guilds generally represent factions to a large degree. As such implications would point to an entire breakdown of the horde.

Nothing on this kind of scale has ever been done at least to my knowledge. As such, We need to have something to explain the "game mechanics". The only way we can possibly do this is for the first time we have to speak on behalf of the horde leaders. Here are my thoughts

Thrall will see this as something between guilds and NOT factions. He wont let the horde crumble to pieces because some guilds are at each others throats.
Kairne wont want to get invovled per say BUT the greywolf tribe while they are not directly affliated with him, have done the tauren in general enormous good. Taking in stray taurens, maintaining Mulgore and of course laying down their lives to defend -his- home. So I beilieve its fair to say Kairne will extend his protection to the tauren and TB will be a safe haven for them. They are also his brethern
Senjin village - The heritage have strove and fought for senjin for a long ass time. They have rebuilt it a few times and risked their lifes to protect it. I think its fair to say that the NPC's will now return this favor as they are deeply indebted to them
Sylv will quite frankly want to protect her own. We have served for a long time and I think it fair to say she will want us to "win" and as such she will extend the protections of undercity to us.
Thrall will throw a hissy fit if he saw us fighting in his city. As such we treat it as a nuetral zone.

We have created a massive and rich RP enviroment and it would be a shame if it all went for a ball of s**t because people getting mad ooc. So! to keep this fair we have to enforce rules. You may say "OMG THIS IS WAR??!! RULES WTF?!". Well if you want to enjoy this RP then we need some kind of code of conduct to keep it all civil and happy.

Rule 01:
1)I rp in pvp gear (simply cause I love the look of S2 for a mage who is evil, hoody <3 etc) so this doesn't affect me too much BUT not many others do. As such:
If you have an RP duel. When the duel is cast. It will be common courtesy to change BEFORE you cast the challenge and/or BEFORE you accept the challenge. I feel this is fair.
2) We are at war. Act that way.
3) Hos may not enter TB.
4) Heritage and GWT may not enter UC IC.
5) The above two are subject to a few things. Naturally a stealther is "alright" but dont get caught. If you do. You took the risk accept the implications
6) Exceptions on 3 and 4 are if you are questing for XP. Pls make sure if you go past any RP'rs you just tell them ((Not here))
7) If you are badly geared try duel someone similairly geared to you. This is not always possible in which case I'm very sorry but I cant help the fact that some are better geared.
If you are a 70. Dont duel a level 40. Its pointless and stupid and is likely to just offend the lower level person. Avoid it if you can but people should be tolerate if you cant.
9) Spies assassins etc I imagine will be used. Please ooc inform people of who is spying for you etc or if an attempt on someone's life is about to be made.
10) Roll checks. If you try to force your way past someone roll a strength check. But a caster will never win in regards to a tauren warrior. dont bother but some races like Belf's could be classed as more agile and can snake their way past etc.
11) You have spells and such that can aid your RP. Feel free to use them but within reason please
12) Emisaries and diplomat positions are very available. Speak to your GL. However i think it fair to assume to ask for an escort from the other faction. You are a diplomatic flag and I doubt anyone is too stupid to disregard that.
13) If you want to diplomatically get invovled. speak to your faction leader about becoming an "advisor" as well. Many positions are avaible but the onus still lies on YOU to use this facility to make more roleplay for yourself. We offer this opportunity but its up to you to decide what you want to do with it.

Lets keep this civil and friendly. This is some of the biggest RP many will experience. Just enjoy it and accept the fact that sometimes its not in someone's control as to what happens. Getting angry is never gonna help. If you want to discuss something leave your ego at home and lets all be friends here.

With Vypra's permission i would like to ask that all are welcome to the keel on the tuesday/thursday pub events are nuetral ground and should be respected as such. I think maybe could you make a post Vypra about a notice outside or something?

*cheer*

We do RPduels the following:

Siheld vs. Tivak

1. you inv eachother
2. Siheld emotes: Siheld lances a frostbolt trying to stun Tivak.
3. Then..you /roll
4. Siheld: 45 Tivak: 56
5. Tivak emotes: Tivak dodges.

Like that..
Doesnt go fast..
But it is fair.

I prefer to fight quite frankly

but thats just me

We could persue that with lower levels though

I respect if some others want to fight that way cause I dont want to go down that arguement again. Liontooth and i had a biggish argument about levels in regards to levels/gear.
I'll try it with someone if they like but personally I like to duel

yes..
but someone with gladiator vs a lvl 70 who just dinged...
not fair
tough lvl 45 vs lvl 48 is possible
just not with lvl 70's

hmm..alright.

If i madly outgear/level someone i normally just cast some flashy spell and keep moving. That way they can decide its effects..I have done this with cloudsong and a few others a few times. Its my beilief. If you roleplay a powerful mage/class etc you should BE a powerful class. anyhow i think that will come down to the duelists. i think if two people are about to engage in a duel. Just have a quick talk ooc. It really doesn't take up much time and even if you dont know the person generally they will be friendly to you.

I agree with what Tivak wrote. And I think all problems that come up can be solved as long as we talk to eachother ooc and stay calm. Some fights are probably most impressive if acted out in a duel, some might be better if made up beforehand and acted out by emotes, and so on. Just talk to eachother and remember that we're all friends ooc

Interesting stuff.

Tivak wrote:

Archnazg challenged snicka in a duel and some other fights were fought.

lol who won?

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The ramifications of it are massive. The Heritage have allies and they will undoubtably get invovled. So the house is currently at war. Now. Some of these RP guilds generally represent factions to a large degree. As such implications would point to an entire breakdown of the horde.

Over dramatised, guilds bicker with each other all the time. This is entertaining, sure, but I think implying the whole horde will fall apart over this is going too far.

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Thrall will see this as something between guilds and NOT factions. He wont let the horde crumble to pieces because some guilds are at each others throats.

Exactly.

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Sylv will quite frankly want to protect her own. We have served for a long time and I think it fair to say she will want us to "win" and as such she will extend the protections of undercity to us.

I know Archnazg likes to RP he is the Queen's right hand man, but lets review his achievements for her lately. He failed in his attack on Stormwind and brought the wrath of the alliance down on three cities which were sacked. Now he wastes his time in petty fueds with other guilds? If I was Sylvanas at the very least I would regard him as incompetant... Not sure I would regard UC asa any different to Orgri tbh, but then again it doesn't matter to me because I don't visit that stinking pit filled with rotting corpses.

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With Vypra's permission i would like to ask that all are welcome to the keel on the tuesday/thursday pub events are nuetral ground and should be respected as such. I think maybe could you make a post Vypra about a notice outside or something?

No need for a post, that has always been the case. Bickering stays outside, troublemakers get stabbed up. Not neccessarily immediately, but my agents have long memories.

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We do RPduels the following:
Siheld vs. Tivak

1. you inv eachother
2. Siheld emotes: Siheld lances a frostbolt trying to stun Tivak.
3. Then..you /roll
4. Siheld: 45 Tivak: 56
5. Tivak emotes: Tivak dodges.

Like that..
Doesnt go fast..
But it is fair.

Just no. Life isn't fair, and fights are rarely irl. I don't get the point of doing fights like this, you might as well just play on pen and paper. As long as someone isn't claiming your char is perma-dead after the fight, whats the big deal?

Wasnt my idea
I just tell you how is sometimes goes at Ally
Mostly militia does that..with evil bad guys..

Vexacus wrote:

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The ramifications of it are massive. The Heritage have allies and they will undoubtably get invovled. So the house is currently at war. Now. Some of these RP guilds generally represent factions to a large degree. As such implications would point to an entire breakdown of the horde.

Over dramatised, guilds bicker with each other all the time. This is entertaining, sure, but I think implying the whole horde will fall apart over this is going too far.

Didn't you know? We all like to think we're way more important than we are. So far, it's not hurting anyone and we've all managed to agree

Vexacus wrote:

Interesting stuff.

Tivak wrote:

Archnazg challenged snicka in a duel and some other fights were fought.

lol who won?

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The ramifications of it are massive. The Heritage have allies and they will undoubtably get invovled. So the house is currently at war. Now. Some of these RP guilds generally represent factions to a large degree. As such implications would point to an entire breakdown of the horde.

Over dramatised, guilds bicker with each other all the time. This is entertaining, sure, but I think implying the whole horde will fall apart over this is going too far.

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Thrall will see this as something between guilds and NOT factions. He wont let the horde crumble to pieces because some guilds are at each others throats.

Exactly.

1) Arch did but unimportant really - I didn't get a look at snicka's gear but who cares. House attacked Heritage. nuff said really.

2) Meant it as a point that thrall wont see this as factions going to war but rather guilds having a tiff. Factions going to war means massive ramifications and completly un-viable due to mechanics and RP wise.

3) Again we agree on something. Very strange days indeed Vexacus.

4) Lady sylv. Dunno. What I do know is that she is in the horde only as a matter of convience and nothing more. Attempting to see it from her perspective is close to impossible. We can only assume. I would assume she would protect the forsaken as her people and no other large reason. Generally not many other rp'rs will goto UC simply because it doesn't really hold too well with the rest of the horde. Bit of a cesspit of filth and disgust really.

I've always seen it that regardless of Sylvanas' true intentions, it's hardly in her best interest to harbour a group that are openly hostile to other members of the Horde. If they seek sanctuary within her domain, then thrall could only see it as being part of a plan on her part. Would you really trust an 'ally' that protects those seemingly trying to undo your work? For all we know, she may well want to see every living race fall, but she is allied to the Horde races, and would at least allude to this as still being the case.
I really don't think she'd either have been told of what's happened, or at the very least, the House would need to lie low withing the City walls.
Thrall, Cairne and that git in charge of the Sin'Dorei would all ask questions of the Forsakens position within the alliegence.

Of course, I could be completely wrong, but that is, as said, how I see it.

Also, one can imagine that without Tabards, as most members of a race look alike, there would be some Faction instability. The House have attacked a prominant Tauren, and a noble Troll Tribe. Both races would look at any Forsaken - and to a lesser extent, Sin'dorei - with suspicion. Even with Tabards, they can be stolen (not really, but RPwise they can) so just because an undead is wearing, say an AO or Haven crest, it wouldn't really make many feel that they are allies. Of course, I'm basing this on human behaviour, whch we know is mostly about alienation and fear of the unknown. But it could at least open some of the RP up.

Again, I may well be way off the mark, but they're just my opinions.

/agree

Lyranne has a lot of good points

hmmm....

its hard to say because heritage did kidnap malice. In terms of heritage against house.
Yes Tivak attacked the Heritage
Yes Tivak opened hostilities against you
BUT he hasn't taken any agressive acts on you guys directly since joining the house.

Tivak is responsible for the crimes he commited against the heritage.
Abducting a member though has been percieved as a criminal act against us. Also for justification Arch can say that you failed to attempt to open any diplomatic links (Cause i got Ryleen arrested >.<)

We'll just have to wait and see. Last report I got is that Snicka is currently arrested by the Ashen Order and will stand trial for the abduction of Malice. They are also looking to arrest Tivak, I was told.

But as I said last night, even if Tivak would get punished, I think there are enough hostility between hoz/gwt and hos for it to continue on for quite some time, unless something extraordinary happens to make us change our minds.

One thing i would like to add...keep OOC feelings away from this please. If you lose to someone suck it up and adapt to the situation.

Liontooth wrote:

One thing i would like to add...keep OOC feelings away from this please. If you lose to someone suck it up and adapt to the situation.

must agree with you there. Just cause we are fighting/at war etc etc doesn't mean you have a licence to be the RP equivalent to a ganktard.
IC we fight and such
OOC We have cookies and milk on the buff while we all perv at Vypra's dancing dwarf <3

Lyranne said what I meant better than I did.

Liontooth wrote:

One thing i would like to add...keep OOC feelings away from this please. If you lose to someone suck it up and adapt to the situation.

I remind you of this next time a SL/SL lock kills you.

If you ever catch me doing it in an -RP- fight feel free

Ryleen wrote:

We'll just have to wait and see. Last report I got is that Snicka is currently arrested by the Ashen Order and will stand trial for the abduction of Malice. They are also looking to arrest Tivak, I was told.

But as I said last night, even if Tivak would get punished, I think there are enough hostility between hoz/gwt and hos for it to continue on for quite some time, unless something extraordinary happens to make us change our minds.

When is Snicka's Trial?

Tivak wrote:

When is Snicka's Trial?

I don't know. I haven't even found out about it ic yet.

okay...many good points already been made.

For those that are interested - latest from Chabat's diary:
http://heritageofzandalar.forumotion.com/troll-tales-f6/chabat-s-diary-t120-15.htm#1112

Next, i intended to breifly log Vyp last night jus to check mail...however, i was IC'ly invited to an emergency meeting regarding the confrontation between HoZ and HoS.

The meeting was called by Yrjial of AO in response to a meeting she had a little earlier with Arch.

Those present were Yrjial, myself, Snicka, Speatus of the Warsong and Joanna Light
(also of AO)

summary of discussion:

1. Arch agreed to suspend any action for 2 days and would notify Yrjial when he considered that to have expired.

2. Snicka reported that, in accordance with old troll custom (to which Yrjial made the distinction that these applied only to Forest trolls), A hostage was taken from an offending tribe to force to the opponent to come to the negoiating table. This practice was verified by me, with the assertion that it had usually been effective. Snicka acepted responsibility for the Kidnapping of Malice but insisted that Malice was well treated and finally mentioned that he had infact agreed to the kidnapping (that point was not accepted as It could not be confirmed by anyone present).
He also stated, that he not agreed to simbit to punishment for said kidnapping by the Hous but that Arch had taken this meaning and saw Snicka's refusal to comply as a hostile act.

3. Snicka reported that, although the village of Sen'jin was not attacked, the House forces did set demons loose upon the Heritage warriors. Speatus in particular found this unacceptable behaviour by the House.

4. Yrjial refused to allow this point to colour things as, although it was a serious charge (i really can't see Thrall approving of warlocks using demons against their own side ), she was more concerned that infighting in the horde will leave us open to attack by the alliance.

5. Yrjial requested that Snicka submit himself to the custody of the Order who would also be requesting the same of Tivak.

6. Yrjial then requested that i seek out all people that can be called as reliable witnesses to present evidence relevent to both Tivak and Snicka's alleged crimes.

7. I then added another crime to the accusations against Tivak. The experiments he was conducting on chabat resulted in a disease that seemed both resistant to both her own regenerative abilities and magical healing. I also reported that Tivaks assistant emeline had confirmed that he intended this infection to be spread throughout the horde.
Yrjial swore us to secrecy on this point and instructed me to ensure that any others that were aware of this fact must also keep their silence.

8. Yrjial then went to meet with Zanick, the deputy leader of the heritage while Snicka was taken away. I left to begin compiling the list of people i need to interveiw.

Yrjial assumes ALOT if she thinks I will turn myself in without question o.o

she did not assume you would turn yourself in without question she merely stated that you would be asked to make the same gesture that Snicka had.

Here are two screenies of an "emergency war council" that was called last night to discuss Tivak, the actions of the house, the house and how they were going to act.
I think the magnitude of the situation is...about right
This is more than a bickering between guilds

The negotiations with the House. This would be at the very beginning, before they attacked us