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PostSubject: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:33 pm

Today I'm starting an experiment with switching to polyphasic sleeping in hopes of sorting out my sleep issues and hopefully get more time for things I want to do. I'm curious if there is anyone else around here who's got experience with it? Or perhaps people who want to try it with me? (all experiments are easier if you do it in a group after all Wink )


Don't know what polyphasic sleep is? The basic idea is to teach yourself to sleep more effectively, and through that less. Mammals are not naturally meant to sleep only once a day and for such a long period of time, most of them (including very young and very old humans) sleep shorter periods of time and several times a day. It turns out that most humans can feel much better by adapting to a more natural sleep pattern than 8h (more or less) for every 24.

One such sleep pattern is the Uberman sleep schedule -> Link

The problem with Uberman is that it's very strict and hard to adapt to something like school or work. Instead I'm going to try the somewhat gentler Everyman sleep schedule. (Link)

Even more interesting writing about polyphasic sleeping can be found in Puredoxyk's blog -> http://www.puredoxyk.com/



When I first read about it, my original thought was pretty much along the lines of "wow, for hours or extra time each day! cool!" but the more I read the more I realised that I actually sleep horribly bad. I'm always tired. Always. I can't remember the day I set the alarm and it didn't feel like torture when it went off in the morning. seven hours sleep, nine hours sleep.. it's always either too much or too little... The thought of getting rid of that and actually feeling okay, as well as having extra time, is awesome. Smile Way too cool to pass up.

Now I just hope I'll survive the first week of adaption... It will be difficult.
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Fri Nov 13, 2009 6:57 pm

I thought that this was a new mage spell when I first read the title of the thread - polyphasic sheep!
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:46 pm

I wonder how exactly a sheep could be polyphasic...
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:31 pm

Looks interesting.
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Fri Nov 13, 2009 10:28 pm

Ok my first thoughts are there is no way I would be able to sleep for 20 mins at a time and not be tired I don't see how that could work, but if what the site says is true I may as well give it a go as well and see what happens Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Fri Nov 13, 2009 11:01 pm

You will be tired. Very very very tired. But then your brain figures out that you're sleeping on specific times, and it adapts, making you fall directly into rem sleep as soon as you go to sleep. And once that is reached, you are able to be rested on much less sleep than normally, as you cut away much of the pointless unconciousness that you usually need Smile


Oh, and by the way. This probable needs to be pointed out: Do NOT mess with your sleep if you're still growing. As an adult, much of your sleep is just pointless unconciousness. As a kid, you use it to grow, develope your brain and other useful stuff you don't want to ruin. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:39 pm

Locks interesting ... you told me about this on the camp, and I still like the idee.

So ok I go for it to as I have the possibility to adapt me 24h atm ... what is your schedule going to be?
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sat Nov 14, 2009 2:54 pm

I have to have one of my naps at noon, for it to work with school, so I had to adapt the rest of the schedule to that. I have my core nap from four to seven in the morning, first twenty minute nap at noon, next at six and the last one at midnight.



I've now been at this for about a day, and so far I feel fine. There has been a few periods of tiredness, but not much more than during a normal day. Waking up at seven was torture.. But then again, so was waking up at five every day of the week to go to a stupid bus... I think I still have the difficult part in front of me Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sat Nov 14, 2009 3:22 pm

I must admit, while this intrigues me, i don't have any kind of problems with my sleep that would make me feel the need to try this out.

However, i'm still interested to see how it works for ppl so i'll look forward to seeing how those ppl that -do- give it try, cope with it Smile

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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sat Nov 14, 2009 4:05 pm

This has really captured my imagination now...I've always thought sleep was a huge waste of time and have a lot of on and off sleep problems, so it might be just what I need. May even try it some time soon, since I have the opportunity. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sat Nov 14, 2009 9:29 pm

Do try it Smile Just make sure to prepare yourself properly. I couldn't start right away when I wanted to, but had to wait three weeks first, and I think that really helped for dealing with the adaption now.

As far as I can see, there's no reason not to try it, if your work/school allows. At worst, you'll be tired for a week or two and then go back to normal, and at best your life will be greatly improved Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sun Nov 15, 2009 4:57 pm

You'll more than likely feel worse than "a bit tired" come the second week your brain will hate you. I had a friend who did this a while back, 7 days in wasn't pretty.

Stick with it tho. Once you break through that wall you'll be nigh on a super being Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Sun Nov 15, 2009 5:54 pm

So far, the worst time of day is the last hour nad a half before my core nap, and waking up after the core nap. Oh... waking up at seven is hard. But I'll manage. Bed is awfully tempting though Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 1:04 am

I'm pretty sure it'll kill you. Sad

We are programmed from birth with a luxurity system of knowing when it's time to do stuff.

When tired - Sleep

Should not be messed around with!
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:29 am

Sleep deprivation isn't actually harmful, unless you have it for a long period of time. What I'm going through right now is annoying, sure, but it isn't harmful. (Though at this time of day, I can't really say that I feel very well... Struggling to keep my eyes awake. Smile )
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 10:28 am

I gotta go with Tau on this.
Last night I went to bed at about 12:30 and I woke up after 9:30 this morning. I have no alarm set and nothing requiring me to be up so I just let my body decide how much sleep it needs. Before I lost my job I was probably averaging about 7 hours, so maybe my body is catching up? I don't know. However I do know that I could never cope on as little sleep as you are getting with this system. It just doesn't sound natural.
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 11:35 am

But the thing is that a lot of the sleep you're getting during those seven to nine hours isn't fulfilling a purpose. Your sleep goes in cycles between deeper and lighter sleep. The thing you do with this is that you teach yourself to get into the "useful" sleep faster and easier, cutting out the need for all that other time spent with other sleep.

I just woke up from my noon nap. The last time I slept a full night's sleep was between thursday and friday last week, after that I've had no more than a total of four hours per day. And I feel fine. Sure, there are periods during the day when I get very tired, since I'm not adapted fully, but I don't feel like I'm not getting any sleep. In fact, I used to feel about this tired during the day normally as well, since I never managed to get the right amount of sleep during the night, it was always either too little or too much.

If I let my body decide how much I'll sleep, I average on nine or ten hours, and I feel awful when I wake up.

Puredoxyk has a nice example on why you maybe shouldn't listen too much to your body. Imagine you've had a good dinner. For dessert, there's a delicious pie. You have one piece, and is then offered another one. It looks really tasty. You want to eat it. Does that mean you -need- to eat it? No. Probably not. Your body is programmed to try to get as much as possible of certain things(such as sugar or fat), even up to a point where it won't be helpful for you anymore. Why would sleep be any different?
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:38 pm

my sleep patern is fail, i at most times on school nights, get like 3-4hours sleep :/. and usually sleep the odd time during th day, i just give up trying to sleep properly now
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 2:46 pm

Sleep is needed for the body to rest.

I noticed a big difference when I started going outside and exercised...I go to bed about about midnight and sleep like a log. I woke up the next day refreshed.

If you spend the day inactive you will notice that you feel tried no matter how much sleep you get.

Take it from someone that has worked shifts from one end of the day to another...You really should not mess with your sleeping pattern.
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:28 pm

Well, there are people who have lived on these sleep patterns for years, and gone for regular checkups with their doctor and found no negative side effects.

It's of course possible that it could have some really really long term side effects, but there are those who've done it up to five years (I think it was five) and are still feeling fine.


And as Puredoxyk points out, we're the only mammal that sleeps only once a day and for such a long period of time. Animals living in the wild divide their sleep in shorter naps throughout the day, as do many really young and really old humans. I don't see any biological reason why sleeping only once a day should be the only way for us to function. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:48 pm

Its not Smile Much like allot of things in out lives (3 meals a day, no slouching, etc), its pretty much just a routine that (mainly western) society has found itself stuck in . I'm not surprised so many people are put off by such big changes to their lifestyle, especially considering the relatively short amount of time theories like this have been around.


I'll be interested to see how this all pans out for you. As much as it's worth, you have my full support Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:54 pm

The difference between us and animals in the wild is that we are supposed to spend our waking hours on a form of timetable. If you are a student for example you would divide your day into eat, study, eat, part time work if applicable, other tasks, sleep.

Animals in the wild don't follow this form of lifestyle. Really young children sleep to fuel their growth and generally elderly retired people sleep as well...They are just generally old and tired.

I can tell you that my sleeping patteren has been buggered since I left school and started work...But if I did not spend my nights/days sleeping the recommended hours it would severely detriment my ability to function the next day.

But again, the main thing that will help with sleeping problems is fresh air, exercise and relaxing your mind before trying to sleep (Very important...Logging straight off WoW and trying to sleep is fun)...No need for any fancy sleeping patterns at all I feel.

However you are certainly free to try it if you think it is for you.
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:57 pm

And I really do. The prospect of not feeling like a zombie each morning (as I would normally always do, be it early or a morning I got to sleep in) appeals to me greatly. As does of course all that extra free time, but that's really a secondary bonus at this point. Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 4:13 pm

i must say, i'm a little surprised that there's people who feel this could be medically problematic.

I've never ascribed to that whole 'we all need 8 hrs sleep a night' thing. I certainly don't need that much in one go and never have.

As with most things its got to be a case of seeing what works best for the individual.

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PostSubject: Re: Polyphasic sleep, anyone?   Mon Nov 16, 2009 6:09 pm

Ryleen wrote:
And as Puredoxyk points out, we're the only mammal that sleeps only once a day and for such a long period of time. Animals living in the wild divide their sleep in shorter naps throughout the day, as do many really young and really old humans. I don't see any biological reason why sleeping only once a day should be the only way for us to function. Smile

I actually disagree with this point. Bats, for example, wake up around dusk, go hunting for 6-7 hours, then return to their lair and sleep through the rest of the day. So they technically sleep 17-18 (sometimes even more) hours a day in one block.
Our closest relatives, the great apes sleep in a bed or nest they make of leaves. They build a new nest every night; they may take short naps during the day, but they don't build nests for those, so they still have one long sleep during the hours of darkness. They do not move around during night at all, as they, just like us (and unlike many mammals) don't have night vision. We invented the lights, so we can be active during night, but the apes cannot.
The mammals who follow the sleep pattern you mentioned (like most carnivores and ungulates) are both active during day and during night.
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