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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 7:59 pm

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PLayed some more and I am still not impressed. Stormwind seems like a big Goldshire to me.

One thing that was kinda cool though. I was bored up in Arathi and started chatting to this NPC guard... and suddenly he bloody well answered me... that kinda took me by surprise.
You should have screened it.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:49 pm

Hye boys and gals! Another update from my testing of Epilogue!

Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire

And yet they say "Oh, its so good to get away from the retail Goldshire.

Oh, and the GM's seem to be abit on a powertrip, enjoying their modding of the chat channels.

DId you know that swearing in rp is a kickable offense? Instead of "fuck" you have to say "feck". If that isnt the most naive way of fooling yourself then I dont know what is.

I'l endure one more day of this crap before I make my decision to leave.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:56 pm

Aww, it looked so promising Sad

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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:01 pm

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Hye boys and gals! Another update from my testing of Epilogue!

Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire
Goldshire

And yet they say "Oh, its so good to get away from the retail Goldshire.

Oh, and the GM's seem to be abit on a powertrip, enjoying their modding of the chat channels.

DId you know that swearing in rp is a kickable offense? Instead of "fuck" you have to say "feck". If that isnt the most naive way of fooling yourself then I dont know what is.

I'l endure one more day of this crap before I make my decision to leave.
I'm starting to feel the same way. They have a great concept going but it's ruined by elitist bastards who thought they wrote the damn lore.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:23 pm

Not had the experience of Quint just yet. I've made an Alliance mage (Daryn) and an Orc DK (I'll let you guess HIS name!) and had a potter around what the set up is from a playing perspective. Had some very amusing times fighting against the bugs (though I still can't fly in Northrend, in spite of 2 gifted drake mounts and cold weather flying) and seeing what they've changed in terms of NPC placement.
Not sure I like the lack of buffs on the armour, simply because it means that there will be some mobs that can't be taken on due to them having vastly superior health (already found a lvl 75 normal mob with 2-3k more health than my DK). Very amused by the fact that you can grind gold just by buying stuff and selling it back (all stuff from vendors is 1c, with some stuff still needing badges as well, like vengeful gear).
As has been said, it's still a work in process, but there are some very nice tweaks they have already put up. Ragefire Chasm has been barricaded off and the Cleft of Shadow has a lot of guards on the tunnel down from the Drag. Stormwind has a lot of guards on it's front gate.
The OOC channel was interesting while I was there, probably not far removed from what you get in LFRP.
I want to get my mage into the Scarlet guild and see what the RP can be like when part of a sizeable group.

Honestly, I think everyone who wants WoW to be better have a look at it from the inside and see what they make of it. It's free, it's easy enough to get into it and easy enough to change it back to play normal WoW. Whilst I can understand Quint's frustrations (and whilst I am of the opinion that bringing sexual orientation into RP I still think that Ryan was an idiot in how he dealt with what Quint did) I think it would be a shame if it fell apart because people didn't like what they experienced and just left. I'd like to see if anything can be done through the forum to see if the issues can be ironed out rather than what could, to the outsider, come across as snide back-biting. Not saying it is, just that it could come across that way.

On the GM's, so far, I have only goo dthings to say about them. First one I spoke to responded within about 5 minutes to a request for help and the second was Tipsy, who was great at trying to help, even though it was beyond his powers from in game to do so.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:41 pm

If you read the logs in quints post very carefully Gurf, you'll see that it was Ryan that brought sexuality into it.

Quint never did anything to make it seem that his character -was- gay (and in fact said twice that it wasn't) ...unless men drinking wine and feeling happy is now gay?

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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:56 pm

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If you read the logs in quints post very carefully Gurf, you'll see that it was Ryan that brought sexuality into it.

Quint never did anything to make it seem that his character -was- gay (and in fact said twice that it wasn't) ...unless men drinking wine and feeling happy is now gay?

I know that. I was just saying that whilst I agreed with some of his comments about sexuality in RP I think he acted like an idiot (that's Ryan, not Quint).
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 10:58 pm

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men drinking wine and feeling happy is now gay?
Feth, I feel so gay now....
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Tue Oct 13, 2009 11:25 pm

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Vypra wrote:
men drinking wine and feeling happy is now gay?
Feth, I feel so gay now....

I'm drinking red wine and eating cheese now does that make me a french gay douche? Anyway back on topic.

Now I share that Stormwind is a big Goldshire so the first best thing I did was left it and entered one of the Lordaeron Kingdom guilds, elitists? People who dont know proper lore and struggle with RP can be found on Epilogue as well, I had yet good impressions as well.

The RP around Arathi, Alterac and Plaguelands is amazing and I never though that I would enjoy Alliance RP yet seems like good. Apparently one of the GM's seemed to have just left Goldshire when she/he was developing a plot which in the beginning was very interesting, attracting and well desgined till the part came in in which a Death Knight (male) had a daughter with a human Paladin (female) and the daughter is probably the most powerful being at the moment (as a child), followed by a tauren Shaman who wanted to kid to 'deactivate' her powers using me and Solanar (our Epologue chars) to get the kid, now we didn't got into it which kinda left us in lots of PRP with GM powers several deaths and ye...

I've had good experience and bad experience, I need to try it a tad more till I can give a final critic.

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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:39 am

(((ok of topic again, but at around quarter psat 12 at nightm that quarter pas 1 realm time, my internet seems to die for an hour or two, anyone have any ideas ))

And this server does sound iteresting, its just i enjoy the rp here in ssl Smile
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:07 am

Well, I think all Quint's characters are tri-sexual.

And.... is it worth going on this server to write about it? Can anyone give me a contact for running the server or check if one of the GMs wants to 'talk' to me (anonymously) for this BBC article?
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:14 am

I understand your concern Quint but sometimes I wonder whos the elitist. Razz

I take everything with a grain of salt, nothing will never ever be perfect but this is far closer to perfection than retail WoW. Yesterday I escorted a Mage with two others (A GM was the mage) to uncover a mystery that the defias were working on, it got great depth. Later I went to Darkshire and found Night Watchers fleeing, I rallied them (GM controlled them) and charged Darkshire which was full of ghouls. I ended up to be the only to survive. More came and the GM started RP'ing the citizans that were traped has infected and alot happened.

Later the Steamwork Industries requested the Black Lions help and we went out to Westfall and found Defias that had barricaded themselves around a mine. We were short on men so we would take it another time. Short after me, another and my leader went to meet the Kingdom of Stromgarde in Ironforge for a meeting. Soon enough we sent out to Stromgarde to help them retake it and we will continue it today.

You can't be picky about RP and small details, you CAN'T have a group of "perfect" RP'ers. But thats just me, and I love the place. If you were this picky when SSL were new you would never find RP, imo the RP advancement today is TOO complicated and "Goldshire" RP at that time were consider hardcore.

Edit: I will answer/help you more later Oppy. Got a an appointment at the hospital I need to take care of. So ta-ta!
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:41 am

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Well, I think all Quint's characters are tri-sexual.

And.... is it worth going on this server to write about it? Can anyone give me a contact for running the server or check if one of the GMs wants to 'talk' to me (anonymously) for this BBC article?

You might remember the name Tipsy? He's a GM there. Just log in and chat in the OOC channel and I'm sure at least 1 GM will be there to answer any questions.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 11:44 am

Aye: well, I'm not online at the moment as I am in me office right now. I just know that most people freak out when you say the word "journalist" and automatically assume you're from The Sun; plus with them being a private server, I'm sure they'll shit bricks thinking this will all leak back to Blizzard. Hopefully, that's why one of you lot might be able to talk to someone there at the server and ask them if this is all right (for me to talk to them).
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:03 pm

@ Tyragon: That was you there? Saw you both with the Mage and later in Stromgarde as I'm a private in Stromgarde.

@Opathu: GM's usually can't be contacted via whisper and I doubt its a good idea to ask in a public channel with over 30 people about it. I might make a GM ticket and see what I can do for ye.

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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:38 pm

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@ Tyragon: That was you there? Saw you both with the Mage and later in Stromgarde as I'm a private in Stromgarde.

@Opathu: GM's usually can't be contacted via whisper and I doubt its a good idea to ask in a public channel with over 30 people about it. I might make a GM ticket and see what I can do for ye.
Or you can just send S a PM in the forums since he's the founder of the private server.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:49 pm

Oh really, S-troll? My Black Lion Warrior is Andul and the other one named Keltan is also a mysterious SSL'er which I wont say the name of. Laughing ^

The GM's also can be contacted through whispers and if you really need fast help you can either do that or ask in the OOC channel. They aren't like Blizzard staff where everything is done in secret and everyone needs to fear them. But they do advice to use tickets at most times since the GM fit for that question or help will appear. They got their specific job areas unless it's simple stuff.

Also to Gurfang. Indeed there is alot of bugs and I dunno why you wanted to fly around Northrend when everything from Lich King to the stuff in retail is changed. In this world theres a different threat. Also the cash is nothing to bother with, I asked a GM and got 4000g free since it doesn't have any value there. And the mobs are supposed to be superior of you, that is why earlier I said we were too few to battle the Defias even though we were 4. At start you're nothing but a lowly soldier/grunt and the more influance you get (power) the more this will change. Subclass level depends abit aswell, but it's more about how much the subclass GM's will use you. You are more expected to do the dirty work as a soldier while being a Lieutenant or Captain you're expected to lead and take responsibility.

Anywho about the lore part. Alot seems different and you can't really expect the RP situation to be like in retail. It still got the past history but what happens next in Epilogue is freely up to the players and GM's. New threats, new events, new heroes. Though you can't get yourself caught up on this. All you need to remember is to RP, nothing else, and create something in logical means of how the WoW world is built up.


Edit: Manovan is right. You can PM S the founder of this realm. He might not be very chatful at quick to respond though. But he got alot of responsibility and work.

And I just noticed something -- damn I rant alot...
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:02 pm

Hey, I have no problems admitting I am elitist. Ofcourse I am, why wouldn't I be? RP has been the main thing I have done in wow since near release and by now I have worked up standards. RP has to progress to be interesting, as it is in everything. After four years of playing the piano you dont stick with only playing the same songs you learnt your first week.

Admittedly it makes RP harder to find when you raise the bar, but I have no problems with that. I prefer quality over quantity. I am not under the impression that all RP is good RP or that all RP is entertaining. Far from it. It doesn't mean that I seek highly advanced and immersive RP at all times. Sure I can do the light hearted humperdidoo RP as well, but it doesn't really give me much other than being something that kills the time.

I have never seen why the term elitist is such a negative word. It's just people who have high standards and know what they want. The people who don't like the word are the people who are not good enough. (heh heh) Anyways, when we get right down to it, most of the SSL veterans have become elitists anyways, seeing how so many of them enjoy throwing around snide comments about people doing "Goldshire RP" or people metagaming or how they fail at some obscure part of RP. The word elitist has become this huge taboo in WoW RP, because apparantly it is seen as something "that takes the fun out of RP."

The common point of view seems to be that all RP has to be shiny, inclusive, casual and light hearted and you should let everyone RP just in any way you want. Which is totally fine by me, but I do not nessescarily find that kind of RP all that intersting, allthough entertaining now and then as I've said. But to me RP doesn't become real interesting before you delve deeper than that, RP that often, and in my opinion wrongly, labeled elitist.

Now seeing as the forums of Epilogue seemed to contain a high level of focus on the deeper RP I was abit dissapointed to meet RP that even fell beneath the level of RP found on SSL. But, as I clearly said in my post about this there might be a chance of my impression just being unlucky. And judging from what you wrote about your own experiences than this seems to be the case, as I have not seen or taken part of any RP of that scope. So, I will not give up just yet.

But I think that from the actual list of examples I gave that most people who have RP'd for a while can agree that it is not really all that "elitist" to demand better than those examples. One problem with those who get labeled as elitists is that they often can turn into bitter, intolerable bastards, which I know is often easy to become..and often a source of cheap laughs, but other than that.. dont be hatin' them who just want more out of RP than what you might want. Peace.
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:10 pm

It's kinda ironic to see S-troll play on Epilogue after what he told that S guy back on his own guild's forum Razz
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:42 pm

Gurfang wrote:

You might remember the name Tipsy? He's a GM there. Just log in and chat in the OOC channel and I'm sure at least 1 GM will be there to answer any questions.
Tipsy as in SSL-gnome Tipsy?

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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 2:47 pm

I have sent "S" a PM on their message boards.

*waits for the panic to ensue*
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 3:40 pm

Siheld wrote:
Gurfang wrote:

You might remember the name Tipsy? He's a GM there. Just log in and chat in the OOC channel and I'm sure at least 1 GM will be there to answer any questions.
Tipsy as in SSL-gnome Tipsy?

The very same
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 6:51 pm

Awesome
Tell him it's a good initaive and say Hi to him for me!

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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:22 pm

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It's kinda ironic to see S-troll play on Epilogue after what he told that S guy back on his own guild's forum Razz

What did he say? :O
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PostSubject: Re: The Epilogue   Wed Oct 14, 2009 7:36 pm

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Avior wrote:
It's kinda ironic to see S-troll play on Epilogue after what he told that S guy back on his own guild's forum Razz

What did he say? :O

Let's say, he only gave him 24 hours for advertising and then deleted the thread Laughing
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